Men Without Fear

I didn’t like Thor 2.

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That took a lot of courage to say.  Fandom is a strange thing and there are few fandoms stranger than Marvel.  A slight against the Thor franchise is a slight against Chris Hemsworth, Tom Hiddleston, Idris Elba and (if you’re feeling saucy) Anthony Hopkins.  When I first said I didn’t like this movie on twitter, I was lambasted.  Peter V. Brett said my soul was dead (incidentally, he’s correct, but for different reasons).

But I still didn’t like Thor 2.  I thought it was dumb.  A lot of people who liked it seemed to agree with me on that, but went in, anyway.

And I was content to leave it that way until I was browsing Netflix while I was editing The City Stained Red one night, looking for something to play as background while I worked.  I stumbled upon Hansel & Gretel: Witch Hunters, as it had been sitting in my recommended list like a ripe pimple waiting to be popped and figured “what the hell.”

I put it on.

And I didn’t get any editing.

Because I loved it.

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And when you are a creative type (or maybe when you’re just me), loving something has dire implications.  Because you can never just love something, you have to know why you loved it.  You have to know what worked and what didn’t so you can steal what worked and reject what didn’t.  You spend a lot of time dwelling on a movie that had a lengthy shot of a witch’s butt and sometimes, you ask yourself difficult questions.

Such as why I liked this unapologetically dumb movie and didn’t like an equally dumb movie that all my friends liked.  People like Doug Walker have touched upon this subject before, but I had to suss it out for myself before I was ready to make this blog post.  And I think I stumbled upon the answer just a few nights ago.

Hansel & Gretel: Witch Hunters does not take itself entirely seriously.  Thor 2 does.

Now, I might just be speaking for myself here (since a lot of my friends clearly did not take Thor 2 seriously), but when a movie asks me to buy its premise, I’m in, and I read the tone of the movie from that premise.

The children from a cautionary tale about strangers survived and are fighting witches with a variety of awesome toys.  The fact that they are telling me this basically means that we are in for something strange and humorous.  To that end, all the silliness of the script is charming and the plot holes are excusable.  Hansel has diabetes and keeps track of it with a clockwork syringe?  Of course he does.  Gretel fights witches in tight pants with a gatling crossbow?  Naturally.  Everyone in post-gunpowder Germany has American or British accents?  Why not.

Because, at the end of the day, I’m watching a movie in which Gemma Arterton is shooting witches with a gatling crossbow while Jeremy Renner is suplexing witches into hay carts and it’s fun as shit.

Thor 2, though, asks me to buy into the premise that Asgardians have problems.  Real, emotional problems of separation, abandonment, treachery.  It’s set against a backdrop of action and adventure, but the premise is serious.  Thor is having trouble, Loki is having trouble, Jane Foster is having trouble.  This is a serious piece with some serious messages.  And that means that the plot holes are harder to overlook, the inconsistencies are more difficult to swallow and the offensive pieces are a little more offensive.

I mean, I can’t be the only that noticed that Jane Foster was actually turned into a briefcase, right?  Something more or less extraneous to the plot, but used to carry the thing that was important to the plot.  I can’t be the only one that noticed the Asian character was written out of the movie in the first three minutes?  I can’t be the only one that noticed Idris Elba stabbed a spaceship to death?

Were this a movie that took itself less seriously, these might not be so noticeable.  That latter bit might actually be fun.  But there was so little humor, so little joy, so much seriousness that these just took me right out.  I did like Loki in the film (which seems not entirely groundbreaking), but I think only because his levity was such a reprieve from the choking overtones.

It might have escaped your notice that this crucial moral debate only came up while I was editing.  Digesting stories of all kinds is crucial to a writer because it helps us understand our own stories better.  And this was a debate I found that reflected pretty hotly on mine.

I don’t take my work or even my genre entirely seriously.

I mean, of course I don’t.  I wrote a book in which a smelly, dirty woman killed a wizard with a jar of urine.  I like doing that.

I like impractical clothing, I like silly banter, I like pee jokes, I like hare-brained schemes.

That caused me some concern.

We’ve discussed how not taking oneself too seriously can excuse certain problems.  But does it preclude them?  If Hansel & Gretel: Witch Hunters were to change gears and try to tell me something serious, would I listen?  Can a story be light and dark in equal measure?

Can stupidity be an artistic choice and not just an excuse?

I’d like to hope so.  Because I also wrote a book in which someone deals with a crippling despair that comes with saying goodbye to loved ones.  All of the loved ones.

Given that this is an argument that revolves around examples in the media, it seemed befitting that I turn to more media to solve it.  Or rather, it seemed befitting that, as I was talking to my friend Carl about this, he pointed out an example in the media where it worked perfectly.  One of my favorite stories of all time, in fact.

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Avatar: The Last Airbender.

I still, and probably forever will, hold this show up as one of the greatest shows of all time and one of the best stories ever told.  It was epic, it was sprawling, it blew my mind.

And it was undeniably stupid at points.

There were pro-wrestlers who threw rocks at each other.  There were greasy hicks in the middle of a swamp that made windboats out of magic.  There were six-legged bison that flew through the sky and an army that was defeated by kids with hang-gliders and a gigantic, horrible drill so big as to be implausible, let alone impractical.

And yet, it was undeniably serious.

There were characters consumed with shame and self-doubt.  There were budding romances that were the most important things in the world to these people.  There was war, death, carnage.  Every failure hurt and every betrayal stung.  Sometimes, things looked so dark it was hard to believe that we’d ever get out of it, let alone believe that just last week we were in a cave that we could only find the way out of via the power of true love and magic badgers.

And I think that’s where Avatar’s strength lay.

And I think that’s what makes levity and even the occasional stupidity more valuable than any bleakness.

The two impact each other.  A bit of comedy gives readers space to breathe and is almost welcome after they’ve been drowning in drama.  Tragedy hits harder when the times have been good up until it strikes.  The bleaker and darker things get, the more wild the triumph is.  The live action movie of this was bad for so many reasons, but one of the big ones was that it forgot that this movie, at its heart, was energetic, wild and carefree enough to be stupid from time to time.

And speaking of movies I didn’t like, there was one aspect of Thor 2 I truly loved.

SPOILER ALERT.

When tragedy has been visited upon the Asgardians, a tragedy that strikes Loki more than anyone, Thor goes down to console him.  Loki appears totally unfazed, smiling and laughing until Thor tells him to cut the crap.  Loki cringes and his illusion falls away, revealing that, in his cell, he’s been an absolute wreck: taking out his anger on everything around him.

This, I think, only worked because Loki, up until this point, had seemed untouchable.  And I think it only worked because he was finally forced to take things seriously.  And I think it only worked with Loki because Thor, up until this point, had been taking everything seriously, so this didn’t seem to affect him as much.

I detest the word “balance” because it’s such a cop-out in conflict because obviously balance is ideal and extremes of anything are bad (hence why they’re called extremes).  So maybe this blog post was more for my sake than for yours, giving me the opportunity to put this to words for me and working it out for myself.  But if you managed to take anything from it, let it be that it doesn’t pay to take yourself too seriously.

Or let it be that Avatar: The Last Airbender is a fucking rad show and you should watch the hell out of it.

Whatever.

5 thoughts on “Men Without Fear”

  1. I have to say, I strongly disagree about Thor 2. To me it came across as campy and fun, for the most part, and I really liked it. I’ll have to watch it again, but I don’t remember it being too serious. But, that said, well said. We can agree to disagree, and I can definitely see some of your points. I did notice that Jane became a bit less of a character as the movie wore on. It is true that little stupid can certainly go a long way sometimes. Lighten things up a bit. Have fun(I’m talking to you, Man of Steel). As long it’s a good stupid and not a stupid stupid (i.e. Transformers 2 & 3 were stupid stupid. In my opinion. ). Ultra serious worked in The Dark Knight movies, but that shouldn’t extend to everything. And now I shall have to check out Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters. *fires up Netflix*

  2. I loved Thor 2, but that’s because I gave all things Asgardian a handwave. Not my favorite mythos by any stretch. That battle sequence at the end was delightful.

    I also loved Hansel & Gretel: Witch Hunters, and for what seems to me to be the same reason you did, Sam. It threw down the gauntlet early, saying to me “look, this is going to be SILLYDICULOUS with gore and f-bombs, so walk out NOW because it is ON.” And then the movie fulfilled that promise with absolutely unabashed, unapologetic abuse of faerie mythos, Wicca, Western European History, and of course physics.

    Incidentally, the soundtrack for Hansel & Gretel is my favorite purchase of 2013. Orvaldsson sounds like Hans Zimmer channeling Danny Elfman. Wow.

    1. I’m pretty unfamiliar with the mythos (Marvel or historical). But I straight-up could not buy that the movie didn’t take itself seriously.

      A friend suggested I might be letting the previous version directed by Kenneth Brannagh influence me. I can’t rightly disagree with that. But I think it’s hard to change gears in the middle of the trilogy.

  3. I understand not liking a movie that everyone else loves unabashedly. The Holy Grail of chick flicks is Love Actually. I loathe it. In the movie you don’t actually get love if you’re a woman over thirty. A woman over thirty only gets to cry alone, in front of the Christmas tree while listening to Joni Mitchell. The movie should be called “Love? Not for you, Granny.” I don’t know how the movie execs brainwashed all of these women into thinking it’s a feel good, holiday movie. The entertainment industry is clever.

    I watch plenty of junk television that has thin premise, and/or gaping holes in the story line: Primeval,Sleepy Hollow,Doctor Who. I accept it, because even if the concept, or the idea, or the premise is wobbly, all of those programs have characters who I adore. And it’s important to note that it’s not just one, but multiple characters. Every program, or movie can’t be the first Matrix,BSG,Excalibur(Helen Mirren… Yes, please), or the first 2 seasons of Misfits(which I think is some of the most solid sci-fi out there. Those first two seasons they got time travel right, no matter the naysayers.) A bunch of great actors doesn’t mean a bunch of great characters. You need a bunch of great characters to sail a shit ship to happy land. Thor 2 was meh. In a world of tons of truly abhorrent crap packaged, and sold as entertainment,I’m ok with meh. But, I’m not going to worship at the altar.

    I agree with your assessment. I like that you use the term “suss it out.”

  4. Good Points Sam.

    I ran into something similar the other day, I actually bothered to rent a movie, something I pretty much never do. But I had some extra cash, and I’d been meaning to watch The Wolverine since theaters, so I went ahead and rented it.
    I’m a pretty big fan girl of Wolverine since the first Xmen movie, followed it up with the comics and the cartoons after. But I really didn’t care for this last movie. You basically spoke my feelings on it exactly in this blog. It was a disappointment, the story didn’t live up to the “tone” so to speak. Plus it has this absolutely stupid cliff hanger thing at the end which made me feel really pissed off, it was such an overtly awful ploy to suck people into seeing another film which just annoys me on a personal front.

    Anywho, when I took it back they gave me a free movie since I was a new customer, I went ahead and picked up Kick Ass 2. It had that nice balance of funny to serious, plus interesting story and forgivable plot holes discussed above. Overall it was a far better superhero movie in my opinion. Anyway, I liked that it wasn’t too serious, and the ending was really strong, because it was silly, but then Kick Ass comes out with this awesome quote right at the end and you’re like…FUUUUUCCKKKK. Nailed it.

    Sometimes you don’t need to spend 2 hours having your character hop around claws barred proving how human he is and beating people over the head with your character build, sometimes a sentence is better than a paragraph. For me, more often than not.

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